Becoming a CONVERT? Now as hard as you might think

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  1. #1 Becoming a CONVERT? Now as hard as you might think 
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    I guess you could say I was a convert from the very beginning. SA triggers only appealed to me at the range. They're fun to shoot and usually very accurate without a whole lot of practice. But from a carry standpoint they scared me to death. And they still do.
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    Thanks, pass.

    Not that I don't appreciate revolvers, but I get the distinct impression you like to push this concept. And that's certainly your right.
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    Yep. Dave's a safety pusher, all right. That's one of his most appealing qualities as far as I'm concerned.
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    I've had every trigger type known, at least in terms of modern firearms, and I prefer a single-action the most, and that is followed by a good striker-fired action. I must say that double-action just holds no appeal to me at all.

    I have always held that my mind and trigger finger are my most indispensable safeties, so just adding weight, L.O.P and complexity to the trigger mechanism does nothing more than hinder the best possible shot... At the range or otherwise.

    Having said that... Good video and one that could help those who do carry a double action only or DA pistol.
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    I don't think talking common sense is going to do any good, Dave. Some people are just dead set on running what others would consider to be an unconscionable risk . . . not only to themselves but to others. They have every right to do that, of course. But in my view, right behind personal safety comes personal responsibility. Even if I truly believed that my gun handling skills were infallible, I'd owe it to my fellow man not to bury them with my arrogance. Carrying and more importantly, wielding a firearm in self-defense is a MASSIVE responsibility best carried out by those with some humility and respect for what that responsibility entails.
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    That Umarex Walther CP88 looks like a lot of fun to me!!!
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    I found the predecessor to the video you posted from Lucky Gunner: https://youtu.be/daSYE1PughE

    It's worth watching as he explains the history of the rise and fall of the double-action pistol.

    In the final analysis, the argument really comes down to shootability versus safety. It doesn't take much to catch the shootability bug. Most folks including myself catch it the first time they fire a SA or striker-fired pistol. But safety is and has always been a hard sell. That's why, when I used to work in the Aerospace Industry, they would stretch massive banners from one side of an aircraft hangar to the other with the words "SAFETY FIRST" imprinted on them in big, red letters and give awards to departments with the best safety records. Interestingly, as Lucky Gunner pointed out, DAO and DA/SA pistols are experiencing something of a resurgence. If anything is responsible for that, it has to be the DAO Ruger LCP with 1.5M units sold since 2008. But I have to believe the writing was on the wall for that pistol the day it was introduced. It was inevitable that Ruger would release a SA version of that pistol for the majority of folks who worship at the altar of shootability and have been led down the primrose path of believing that their ability to handle firearms safely is infallible.

    After researching the Glock-style trigger lever safety (AKA blade safety) pretty thoroughly, I have come to the conclusion that it's primarily for show. As opposed to a manual safety, it doesn't actually DO anything to make guns equipped with them safer to handle. It's there so that consumers who require that their pistols contain a "safety" can be shown that if somebody blows on the trigger, the gun won't fire. Heaven help them if they (or anything else for that matter) come into physical contact with the trigger, however.

    From everything I can gather, I honestly don't think that a gun whose only safety is a trigger lever safety is any safer than a gun that contains no safety at all. And I wouldn't be surprised if ADs with guns equipped with trigger lever safeties are far more common than people realize. It's just that those who experience ADs with them are too embarrassed to report it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davevabch View Post
    I will agree to the shootability issue if you do not plan to train using a double action or a revolver. Train properly and you can have every bit as good accuracy. I am finding the LCR to be a magnificent shooter and appreciating the trigger more and more. It all came with time and training.
    Well therein lies the rub, my friend. As I've said before, few folks have the willingness to put in the kind of time and training you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davevabch View Post
    Why can't Glock just come out and say NO Safety?
    Best guess? Stipulations in military and police department contracts that firearms MUST contain safeties. How "safe" those safeties need to make the firearms is apparently not considered.
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