Sorry the grip does not work for you W. I did order one through Amazon, so we shall see. I wanted a .38 LCR for carry, but this weekend carried the .38 in a Remora. And this was in a pair of shorts. However, I think my main carry will be my LC9S. It really rides nice in the new Mitch Rosen. I will take out the new grip and try it this week. If it is shootable I will keep it. I just cannot wrap my head around that copper color cylinder. But someone will think it is the salt of the earth. Maybe some guy will get one to match his front gold tooth.